but here obama, talking about obama having learned from the first four years and no longer negotiating before he goes. is there any thought that the community has learned here and enough -- that they are going to get past off because the crumbs are not enough anymore or are you guys just going to go for some more crumbs? >> i am not sure that all of the folks on this panel would represent the progressive community, but i think that we can open a. >> to you want to take that? >> speak on behalf of the progressive community. i don't think i can speak on behalf of the press corps. i guess i can speak on behalf of myself. i don't know, you know, what do you do if you are passed off, to use your phrase? i mean, you can write about these things to appoint them out , but to my you know, as i was saying, i am not terribly optimistic for the second four years because my view is not the only, but the primary leverage point that one has ever president is reelection, and once you move through that i think you're dealing with a more limited set of tools that reelection leverage point proved to be,